Eric Luth (WMSE)

Wikimania:Information Desk

Hi. Bringing over Wikimania:Information Desk and its subsidiary page and translations. Before I flush and update the translations, you may wish to give Wikimania:Information Desk/intro a quick look and make any changes, remembering that the Wikimania: namespace is the ongoing namespace, so lots of information/questions here may be more general, though contemporaneous to each Wikimania. I will leave the Wikimania:FAQ link empty for the while.  — billinghurst sDrewth 06:23, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi! Great. The one thing that may or will need an update from what I can see quickly is the mail address to the program committee. I'll ask the program committee. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 08:11, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Was the email address correct to be used?  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:16, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

I am trying to figure this out. Sorry for my slow response. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 09:09, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Welcome message for users

Just thinking through how we can be provocative information dumping. We could look to having a dynamic and progressive welcome message. Rather then subst: a static message, we can have something that is specific to the 2019 event, and that updates as you update. While I generally do not encourage bot welcomes, it may be something to consider if we do coerce the template to be specific, even though it may mean we welcome spambots.  — billinghurst sDrewth 06:33, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

I take it that you are talking about a welcome message for users who register as new users on the Wikimania wiki? If we should have one, it should definitely be year specific, especially as some of the new accounts could be potential attendees from outside the Wikimedia movement. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 09:51, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Fair call, probably create a standard template that subst:s to output Template:Welcome2019 and we can look to set up a bot to run mw:Manual:Pywikibot/welcome.py. There is zero welcome message at this time, and nothing used in 2018.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:59, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

That sounds reasonable. What information should be included in the standard template, in your opinion? Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 15:57, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Ummmm, I would think mainly simple, and try to keep the active components in their own template so translations to the actual template can be kept to a minimum. Thinking out loud HERE, EDITING, NOW, NEXT …

• A line of introductory about purpose and language of wiki, and civil and equitable treatment of users. Pointer that explains the structure of the wiki (such a page needs to be created)
• A line about editing, being normal wiki, and pointing them elsewhere for that help. (We are not babying, or managing any functional wiki guidance, we should soft redirect to metawiki or mediawikiwiki as required)
• [Template:Wikimania2019] Pointer to 2019 pages, structure and 2019FAQ; would be replaced in 2020 with [Template:Wikimania2020]
• [Template:2019WM-massmessage] Guessing that you are going to do massmessage delivery, newsletter or something in that field,so a direct link to where they would subscribe 2019WM-mass-message at meta.
• [Template:Whatsnew] What you want to have the know about next

There may be a sixth point, however, that will do to start.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:42, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Good points. I'm in favor of such a template, just giving a thought as to who should develop it (both in terms of coding and phrasing). Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 12:42, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

As it will be a permanent, and dynamic addition, I will start the first couple of lines we can taste test it, and then let the translation process start. The additions can follow their addition and their translation as things ready.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:07, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Noting that 2016 had a reasonably extensive message ... wm2016:Template:Welcome  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:09, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Did you start the first couple of lines? Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 11:20, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

As a next round of concept (and @Quiddity:)

• Template:Welcome with 2 dynamic parts 1) Wikimania2019 message, and 2) What's new.

Suggest once we are happy with the text in the base template we put to be translated into all languages. We get the bot to apply {{TNT|welcome}} and for 2019 we sign on behalf of WMSE organising committee with a nice landing page link.

For the subparts,

• 2019 message (will need tweaks), though doubt changed that often; we want constant reminder of time and place, time and place, time and place; visually clear. If reasonably static message, we can set to be translated. Readily updated in 2020.
• New teasers. Something like that where you want to drive eyeballs, I would like to think that we would could more sweetly standardise messages. At English Wikisource, we have s:en:Template:New texts which has standard formatting sub-part; or something like the translatable m:Template:Main Page/WM News. If updated regularly, you may just wish to target the real key languages.
• Not touching newsletter at this point until know whether "MediaWiki message delivery" is happening/of interest

 — billinghurst sDrewth 12:03, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

And if this is mostly suitable, I can move the discussion to Template talk:Welcome  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:15, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

I think your input is good, and the template seems reasonable. Having the talk at the template talk is perhaps easier, as it seems to take place at several talk pages simultaneously at the moment :-) Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 09:10, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done moving  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:03, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

For rights requests

I have created an initial page for requesting rights at Wikimania:Requests for rights which captures the discussion at Phabricator, and a little in our IRC discussion. I hope that it is suitable. At this stage, I will continue to construct pages in the Mediawiki: and Wikimania: namespaces. They are in English, and not marked for translation, that will have to follow once the text has been deemed reasonable. Where you have needs in that regard, please let me know.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:25, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Great! Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 14:53, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Noting that there is an existing request for advanced rights at Wikimania:Requests for rights.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:20, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for noting it! Will look into it tomorrow. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 07:25, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Any existing requirements

Checking in if there is anything that you require doing. Looking at sidebar, are there any new messages that you are looking to bring in that we should be setting up early?  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:23, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

I plan to work extensively on the page either late this week or early next. Something that I am thinking about is a template to be used on top of pages like submissions, scholarships, etc., stating the status of the page (open, closed, in process etc.). This may be important if the pages are to be kept throughout the years. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 07:27, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

There is a simple template at m:Template:rfc subpage that we can probably adapt neatly. We also utilise DPL to do some extraction and display on m:RFC.  — billinghurst sDrewth 12:07, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, that look's reasonable. I would reckon that this needs less of comments, and more standardized wordings, like "This process is not open at the moment. Please look back at x time" or something the like. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 11:19, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Back looking at this (and scrapping my other words). How do you want this to work and what are you wanting to signify, I am seeing various viewpoints. For each status what are wanting it to look like, and indicate what?

If it is closed I am guessing that you are trying to stop any further text being added, and maybe having a background oolour, and a border around it, to indicate some permanence. That is probably the easy one.

If open or in process? (in developent?)What is the message that we are trying to portray? and to whom? Have you an example of what you are expecting to see and/or do? Are we in user namespace, or are we in a specific document queue / hierarchy? When we are at various stage, what are you seeing that the template and its categorisation is doing for you?

Categorising based on type of page, and status is easy. Adding a comment field and/or an action date are easy.  — billinghurst sDrewth 11:21, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

My idea is that this template could easily be changed depending on the status of the page. It would not be used on all pages, but on some. The ones I imagine are registration, scholarship, call for submissions etc. When these are closed, a, let's say red, template could signal that there is nothing to do at this page at the moment, come back later; when they are open, a, let's say green, template could signal that applications for scholarship, registration and call for submissions are currently open. I think this would improve clarity and save organizers a lot of time, since this type of questions are very often asked. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 09:13, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Okay, so maybe something like an amber header for flavours of "pending" (in development, in translation, look again ..., etc.); flavours of "active" being green indicator (open, in the news, etc.); red for "stopped" (rejected, stopped, closed, complete). I will develop based on #switch, will allow us to add new words to each section if needed. I think that I will set the default state as amber which is less judgmental, and not setting expectations.

That sounds great! Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 12:23, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: Is this something that could be done? Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 09:21, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Massmessage

We can make your life easier for sending messages if we look to use meta's m:MassMessage. We can direct people there to subscribe, either directly, or indirectly, or manually add them if they are known to wish to receive the message. We can also utilise that system to send messages to any wiki, let people bundle themselves in and out. Can be one or multiple lists, if you want general news, and one for ambassadors. Can set you up with the rights there, and happy to support you there, though just not be a speech writer.  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:02, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

oh, and we also have {{nospam}} if you want to visually format an email address ... {{nospam|eric.luth|wikimedia.se}} -> eric.luthwikimedia.se  — billinghurst sDrewth 10:08, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! My plan was to not do this, but to give that possibility to the person chosen to become ambassador coordinator. Hopefully, they can then send this kind of messages instead (also through massmessage). Thanks for the template, didn't know about that. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 12:30, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Okay. Do you have thoughts on who, where, when? We can probably start to prepare for that. I still prefer to house it at meta as that allows for global delivery, whereas having it here restricts us to local delivery.  — billinghurst sDrewth 13:13, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm getting back about that early April! Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 10:10, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Space pages ... where? how?

Did you have an idea how and what you wanted for SPACE pages? Are you expecting drafts? If yes, then are you want them prepared in user ns, or are you thinking that we want them more as proposals, and within a hierarchy within the 2019: ns. Cnnot say that I have been sufficiently following to form an opinion. To note that we ahve two so far, one developed in user ns, and I moved the other there today (from main ns which would never be the case). @Quiddity: fyi.  — billinghurst sDrewth 13:11, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

The idea is to have them at 2019:Draft/name of space. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 10:10, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Correct deadline for presentations and posters?

There are two different dates on the Wikimania pages: May 15th and June 1st. Which one is correct? -Yupik (talk) 14:03, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

@Yupik: The correct is 1 June. It should be corrected by now. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 07:29, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Great, thanks! -Yupik (talk) 09:39, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

2019:Attendees

Hi Eric, that page will (perhaphs) be the same in the next few years. If so, also all the translations will be the same. Would it be better, to move the page to 2020:Attendees, 2021:Attendees ect. or would it be easier to create a template for every year? (e.g. instead of Template:Attendees/100 2019:Template:Attendees/100, 2020:Template:Attendees/100 etc.) Otherwise someone has to create all the translations year by year. --Brackenheim (talk) 15:33, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

@Brackenheim: For me both works. What do you think is most convenient? Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 12:18, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Great! I recently moved the templates into the "2019-namespace", so they can be kept after this years's Wikimania as an archive. Now only the page "Attendees" has to be moved year by year and the all translations can be kept. And by the way: Thank you for all the organising stuff you are doing here ;-) --Brackenheim (talk) 13:17, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Mobile friendly shortcut

Here is a page with the mobile friendly shortcuts (with and without the logo). User:André Costa (WMSE)/test

Its fairly easy to change which pages should be linked to as well as the logo if that is desired. /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 14:25, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Parking at Wikimania

Hallo Eric

I understand that both the recommended hotels and the university are inside the toll zone.

We would like to share a car with 6 persons for travelling to Stockholm. Where can we park the car? It seems to be possible further north on the metro line, but I dont understand the websites about commuter parking as these are all in swedish.

Can you give us some guidance? Would it be possible to park at the university? --Bahnmoeller (talk) 12:27, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

@Bahnmoeller: Sorry for my delayed response! Please let me give you an answer as soon as possible. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 12:57, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Any news? --Bahnmoeller (talk) 11:47, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

@Bahnmoeller: There is parking, but not for free, next to Södra huset at the university. The prize is about 5 euros per day. Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 12:25, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Languages lost at the bottom of the page

Hello Eric,
For the Main page, I recommend putting the <languages /> tag just before {{Main page/banner}}, instead of the bottom of the page. This is what is done everywhere on Wikimedia sites. Best regards. —Eihel (talk) 16:35, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

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