2006:Wikimania/Program/2006-02-23

Program meeting, 2/23/06, Thursday 23:00UTC, freenode#wikimania

Older meeting minutes

Agenda

Program teams - member recruitment, separate meetings /discussion [1]
Keynote invitations -- ordered list, N at a time (N = 2?) [2]
Non-keynote invitations: timeline [1]
- rough estimate of time to allocate
- Track keynotes & speaker ideas -- Wikimania 2006/Program ideas
Updates :
- CFP distribution and translation; Keynote responses so far. [1]
- Software: .LRN custom install? Talk by Carl B, if avail. later on.
- Program materials: things to hand out. RR Donnelley, NYC printers
Website: clean wiki; old proceedings; new proceedings [1]
Design: Wikimania badges, banners, posters. [1]
Future meeting scheduling: weekly for 20 min? [1]
Q&A [2]
- On-wiki: Talk:Wikimania 2006

Condensed Notes

New program volunteers: GeraldM (projects & content); nsh (tech); komissar (FKAATI)

Program teams, to-do this week:
- recruit others for your team (direct general questions about reviewing to phoebe); put names down here
- review and add to list of speakers, with supporting information (not just name, but links, info) Wikimania_2006/Program_ideas (several speakers discussed during meeting; added to list)
- within your team discuss possible keynotes for your track, via email/wiki
- by next meeting (Th 3/2): every team should have a list of at least 10 great speakers on the list discussed ("both star-power and cutting-edge work presenters") with priorities (don't list priorities onwiki, make sure it's clear that these are *suggested speakers*; priority list can go in private section of wikimania.wikimedia).

Next meeting after Thursday, in 2 weeks (week of the 6th) -- longer, scheduled on a weekend, when everyone can make it
- Indepth discussion of speakers, so as to begin...
- inviting great speakers early and often (but only one at a time)

Printing - sj's talked to printers. To decide now: what kind of printed material to give to attendees (32p. booklet vs 3 page handout). Deadline for printers is 6 weeks out but who to go to depends on what it is (also, cost).

Clean wiki and proceedings: Sj suggests making a clean, editable wiki at wikimania.wikimedia so that we can build the site; (wikimania to redirect to wikimania2006.wikimedia.org; last year's content at wikimania2005.wikimedia.org; sounds like a good plan to those assembled; brion will do.) Hosting the Wikimania proceedings at wikimania permanently suggested, agreed that the Wikimania wiki is the best place for them.

Design: B4's made some badges. Please review and comment.

General notes
- if you want to be on the program team, send email to brassratgirl.at.gmail.dot.com so as to get on mini-mailing list
- If you need an account on wikimania.wikimedia, email Angela
Next meeting: Thursday Mar. 2nd, 23:00UTC, short. Check in with program teams about members and speakers, wikimania wiki work
Next meeting after that, TBD, please put down the times you are available in talk -- longer, discussion of speakers, all program team should be there if poss.

Brassratgirl 20:07, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Log (arithm)

#wikimania
Angela GerardM: great. can you add yourself to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2006/Program_Team and let brassratgirl know your email address
GerardM WiktionaryZ sounds like Wiktionaries
GerardM and therefore has a link with the other Wiktionary projects
_sj_ let's wait until eight after to start going through the agenda...
_sj_ gerard: ahhh
_sj_ I missed that :)
mako ii'm here
_sj_ hey mak
_sj_ I'm hoping to get a submission about how to use mediawiki on OLPC laptops
_sj_ or rather, 'using mediawiki as a platform for schoolkids to collaborate over networked machines'
GerardM what is OLPC
asw hi all.
GerardM Jan-Bart from Kennisnet wants to give a presentation about the research they do on what works with wikis in education
GerardM In the Dutch chapter we hear regularly about that
mako one laptop per child
mako it's the non-profit organization that is running the $100 laptop project
brassratgirl hey all
GerardM thanks
brassratgirl sorry, running late
_sj_ hey there
_sj_ gerard: yes, cool
_sj_ hope to see a submission from him too
GerardM He will .. he told us
_sj_ ok
_sj_ let's go through the agenda quickly
GerardM if not him it would be Annemiek or Galwaygirl
_sj_ and encourage discussion on-wiki.
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_sj_ hmm, site slowing..
_sj_ ok. agenda updated.
_sj_ 1) member recruiting for themes:
_sj_ angela sent out email today, specially looking for project assistance. gerard and nsh have shown some interest;
_sj_ please get anyone who is interested to sign up on the wiki.
_sj_ each theme shoujld have separate discussions this week about the list of speakers they'd like to hypothetically invite
brassratgirl kommisar: you are interested in helping with free knowledge, yes?
_sj_ (being ambitious, and knowing not all will accept)
brassratgirl komissar, rather
komissar what exactly is it?
_sj_ ahh, + komissar :)
brassratgirl "Free knowledge and access to information"
_sj_ we can talk about what it is after the meeting...
_sj_ the other reason theme groups should meet is to discuss keynotes
_sj_ we should expect some good keynotes not to be free, or to say no.
_sj_ which is a reason to invite early and often;
_sj_ but no more than one per theme at a time, perhaps...
brassratgirl here's the list: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2006/Program_ideas
brassratgirl I started working on it but it's still v. incomplete
_sj_ so please have at least two keynotes you'd like to invite for your theme
_sj_ and have one invite out at a time.
_sj_ Tim BL for i8nstance hasn't given a firm response; and we don't have confirmation from lessig, though he is free.
Angela where should we put Jimbo? Does he fit best with the projects & content theme?
asw hides - brassratgirl : sorry I couldn't help more with reorg of invitees themes
_sj_ I believe he does. but we could also have a second projects keynote
_sj_ if there's a good one we want to bring in.
brassratgirl asw: no worries :)
brassratgirl Angela: I'd agree with sj
_sj_ that is, jimbo is likely to touch on largely, but not only projects; so we could classify him as we wish
brassratgirl he's of interest across the conference, after all :)
_sj_ non-kenote invites need a quick timeline for being listed and discussed, as well.
_sj_ We could devote our meeting next week to talking about specific speakers
_sj_ and the priorities for each theme
GerardM An interesting speaker could be profesor Melby .. he could talk about Standards and their relevance for us
brassratgirl for that to work, the themes should start reviewing people this week
brassratgirl GerardM: who's that?
_sj_ we should have a list of 10-30 speakers per theme by then, if we want to be productive
GerardM He is a linguist ..and a Standards guru
_sj_ please encourage your themes to come up with a good list; both star-power and cutting-edge work presenters
brassratgirl GerardM: Can you put his full name down? or send it to me?
GerardM Alan K Melby
_sj_ I have a list of very ambitious people to throw in this weekend.
_sj_ does next week sound like a reasonable deadline for discussing speakers in detail?
brassratgirl how are the themes doing, people-wise?
brassratgirl are there any social science reps here?
_sj_ ~2 people for free knowledge atm.
_sj_ <not enough>
brassratgirl right
_sj_ I saw new suggestions for social science, but no acceptances this week
_sj_ should we aim for two weeks from now instead? we should pick a day and make it a longer meeting
_sj_ and have discussions on-wiki beforehand, with a meeting to has out any lingering conflicts
asw _sj_ - for discussing the speakers we should also consider more email...
brassratgirl the themes that are more formed (law & policy, social science) should consider meeting amongst themselves
_sj_ asw: agreed.
asw dunno. I realize it's less open than the mailing list.
brassratgirl If everyone could get their email to me, I'm maintaining a list of paper reviewers
_sj_ nice.
_sj_ the theme3 groups should definitely discuss themselves;
_sj_ then share on the wiki before a review meeting
brassratgirl (brassratgirl@gmail.com)
brassratgirl _sj_, I think we should have some goals before a review meeting
brassratgirl esp. if it's 2 weeks out
asw these mini-lists (just via CC) are very useful i think. But we should include anyone that wants to be included... I've been worried about spamming people.
_sj_ right. so what kind of interim goal? a minimum list size on the wiki?
brassratgirl asw: agreed .. I wanted to make a list so we didn't have to spam all of wikimania
brassratgirl some kind of priority ranking would be nice
_sj_ ok, yes. list and simple priority
asw nods. I think it already looks better now that it's getting organized into tracks.
brassratgirl there are bound to be people that we come to agreement would be awesome to have, best to do that beforehand
brassratgirl if possible
_sj_ two weeks should be enough time to reach those agreements
_sj_ then the difficult or controversial <cough laura bush> cases
asw Hey we have two yeses. :) for law. :)
_sj_ can be discussed.
_sj_ that one should really be discussed this week...
_sj_ but after the meeting.
brassratgirl coughs
brassratgirl uh.. we need a space to put all this
brassratgirl asw: what?
_sj_ shall we say at least 10 suggested speakers per track?
brassratgirl two yesses?
_sj_ with priorities, by next week?
_sj_ while people think about that... a few updates :
_sj_ the cfp still needs to be distributed; along with general announcements
_sj_ the cfp was picked up on a few blogs; which is helpful
_sj_ and there are blogs that ask for conference details, and online calendars
_sj_ (one of the big web2.0 memes)
_sj_ which encourage submissions.
_sj_ we should add those to our list of contacts
_sj_ I'll give more of an update on that this weekend by mail
Angela do we want to make suggested speakers public though if we're not going to actually invite all of them?
asw i don't mean to be whiny but it sort of sucks that the cfp says "call for participation" in some places and "call for papers" in others.
brassratgirl _sj_, in particular, there are several local lists that are listed that I don't know if anyone contacted, like local library lists
asw What can we do to update the wikimania site?
_sj_ asw: see the 'new wiki' note
_sj_ we'll get to it in a min
_sj_ brg: the locals, probably not.
_sj_ angela: I would say yes
_sj_ it should be a compliment to be listed on the suggestions page
_sj_ and we can send all of the people on those lists a personal cfp note
brassratgirl but they should be listed as "suggested" or "proposed" or "speaker ideas"
_sj_ but some of them would get a more explicit "we want you to come"
asw _sj_ you changed the agenda during the meeting. -bad boy-
_sj_ asw: meta was hanging for me for 10 min or so
asw :)
_sj_ had to log out and back in
_sj_ angela: you would be nervous about that?
_sj_ (update 2: carl blesius offered to make a custom installation of .LRN for the conference)
Angela Sj: I was just thinking people could be upset if they're listed and then removed.
_sj_ (if we could use it. the .LRN consortium is a cool education-based consortium using open source software; having them bought into the event would be nice; and it's a pretty neat system. We might think about integrating such an installation with the wikimania wiki.)
Angela Perhaps te page just needs to be very clear that these are suggestions, not a formal list of people we are inviting.
_sj_ angela: sounds good
Angela what is .LRN?
_sj_ dotlrn.org
brassratgirl Angela, I can write a little text for the page that says exactly that :)
Angela That would be great.
_sj_ of course, I may be partial to it b/c I wrote bits of the more ancient code they use :)
_sj_ it was a nice offer. I don't want to ask them to put dozens of hours into it if we definitely wouldn't use such an install
_sj_ so I'm hoping to have carl give a demo of what it might be like, used for a conference
_sj_ if that happens, I'll let everyone know / post a link to a demosite
_sj_ (update 3 : program materials. how much to hand out? info about speakers, presentations, &c.
brassratgirl what's RR Donnelley refer to?
asw -- need to step out for a bit -- sorry.
_sj_ (I talked to two printers today; one of whom liked the idea of the conf, and is going to send quotes for a conf-sized run on their high-volume machines.)
_sj_ they're a major printing and marketing? firm in the US
brassratgirl how soon do we have to figure this out by?
_sj_ I met a few printers from their branch out near Boston; they have one machine small enough to do a quick run like this.
brassratgirl I assume printing wouldn't be done for a while ..
_sj_ more updates when there's more info. we should start thinking about what we want to provide attendees.
brassratgirl full printed sets of wikipedia, of course.
brassratgirl I personally won't settle for anything less.
_sj_ right, but we need to figure well in advance what size we want the volume to be; if its 1000 copies of a 32-pg booklet, that's one kind of printing. if its 1000 copies of a one-pg leaflet, that's another.
brassratgirl ok, gotcha.
_sj_ we have to tell presenters if we need print-ready materials / photos from them 6 weeks out
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_sj_ wb sven
_sj_ brion_away, around?
Angela I think we should wait and see whether we get any sponsorship before deciding on printing.
Angela We might not be able to afford it.
_sj_ some sponsorship could be for recognition in the printed matter
_sj_ a standard rate sheet includes the price of ads in the program; if there are orgs for which we would accept this, we should decide that in advance.
Angela Jimmy had asked Danny to go through his contacts and find potential sponsors, but he's apparently been too busy to do that, and there have been no volunteers to do it either.
_sj_ (and make a list and ask them, since there might not be many :)
_sj_ right.
nsh catches up quickly
nsh (as possible)
_sj_ brion's not here... but I tlked to him about creating a clean wiki
_sj_ and renaming the old one
_sj_ making the new wiki publicly editable. that would help us get it cleaned up fast.
_sj_ so brion, when you read the logs, don't forget us :)
brassratgirl a clean wiki at wikimania?
GerardM What do we need in sponsors and how would it work for them ?
_sj_ gerardm: we need to offer them a rate sheet
_sj_ suggesting what levels of sponsorship there are
GerardM lets talk later ..
_sj_ brg: a clean wiki now
_sj_ which we would repopulate with the three-four pages that are currently viewable
_sj_ and then add onto, renaming pages as necessary (Call for participation, etc)
brassratgirl yes. a clean wiki where, is what I meant. what url?
_sj_ yeah, at wikimania.wikimedia.org
_sj_ nudges b4_
brassratgirl ok . Sounds good.
_sj_ what do people think of hosting all wikimania proceedings on the wikimania wiki, permanently?
b4_ ok
_sj_ ( if we don't do this, we might start up a separate reviewed, academic-content wiki... )
brassratgirl _sj_: don't do what?
_sj_ if we don't host proceedings on wikimania.wikimedia
_sj_ we need a place where we can reliably keep wikimania proceedings.
brassratgirl I think it's a definite possiblity, but we should consider how to do it and what it means
brassratgirl how to organize & tag them well, etc.
_sj_ for those not following the edit wars at en.wikibooks, the 2005 proceedings were deleted from there and moved to meta
_sj_ where they may also not belong
brassratgirl maybe a discussion for another day...
_sj_ right.
_sj_ b4, design?
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brassratgirl (I def. don't think they belong on meta; it's a mess)
_sj_ (even if they do, they can't stay as Transwiki: pages)
Angela We should host it on the wikimania wiki. Not all submissions are academic-content, so having it on a site wich requires that won't work.
_sj_ angela: good point. agreed.
nsh wikibooks is only for academic content?
Angela No, the "separate reviewed, academic-content wiki..." Sj mentioned is.
_sj_ (brion: any chance of getting a clean wikimania wiki by the weekend?)
_sj_ (and wb :)
nsh ah
nsh ty
brassratgirl the other bonus to having them on wikimania is everything's in one place; someone wants to know where to look, it's one stop shopping
Angela But wikibooks is only for textbooks, which led to some controversy over conference proceedings going there.
nsh one stop shopping++
nsh but also, permament location++
nsh how about wikisource?
nsh that's a pretty wide bucket
Angela They aren't really source texts.
nsh how about wikieverything2
nsh :-)
brassratgirl also there could be licensing issues, potentially..
nsh we'd have to initiate more newbie-haazing for that
Angela There's no point risking ending up on VfD on any project. We can just keep this on the wikimania wiki where people can't object tp it.
brion _sj_: gimme a url and a name
nsh ok, agreed
GerardM wikiandthekitchensink
brion _sj_: keep in mind we want to archive materials for each conference. i recommend having a site per year.
Angela wikimania2005.wikimedia.org for the old one perhaps?
_sj_ can we move the current wiki to a new url (wikimania2005.wikimedia.org?) and create a new one at this name?
_sj_ nice :) jinx
GerardM Sensible
nsh ugly, but ok
_sj_ brion: fair enough. then we could move back the 'archive' on meta atm.
brassratgirl better than meta.
nsh aye
brion and don't move them around every year; start it at wikimania2006 and keep it there.
nsh nods
_sj_ right.
_sj_ and redirect wikimania.
brion breaking urls next year would be silly.
_sj_ ok...
brion \o/
brassratgirl redirect to the current year's site would be nice; it could just be changed every year
nsh introduces self to brassratgirl, haven't not seen her around before
brassratgirl and people could to to the same place
nsh nods
brassratgirl *could go to
_sj_ cool. please ping people in this channel when it happens
_sj_ so we can make sure existing important external links are updated
brassratgirl heya nsh
nsh :-)
_sj_ for general Q&A : http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimania_2006
brassratgirl and next meetings?
_sj_ I'm free most evenings next week
nsh one point that just came up in the RSA/Economist lecture i was just listening to...
_sj_ the week after we might want to schedule more carefully, and get agreement on-list
nsh there was a lady talking from the RNIB (institute for the blind) and it made me think: pretty soon we're going to have to address the problem of accessibility
_sj_ if we actually want to make decisions following that meeting.
_sj_ nsh: do you know en:User:Hydnjo?
nsh so perhaps having someone speak about it at this year's wikimania would be good
brassratgirl _sj_: yes
brassratgirl maybe another weekday meeting next week (same time, same place?)
nsh as the readerbase goes up, so does the proportional disenfranchisment
_sj_ nsh: interesting idea. can you add that to the Program ideas page?
brassratgirl and a weekend meeting for the next one, with on-list consensus
nsh _sj_, don't think i know them
nsh _sj_, sure
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_sj_ b4_
_sj_ ?
_sj_ if you haven't seen the current suggested badges,
_sj_ please comment : http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:B4#Wikimania_Badges
b4_ yes, badges up
Angela there are some comments on those at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:B4
Angela I asked Delphine to comment since she was the one who wrote most of http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_visual_identity_guidelines
b4_ if they don't adhere to to guidelines, i can drop the faded logos in the back
b4_ also, on the new wiki, let me know if we want to use monobook
_sj_ b4: a good discussion to have on a design page
_sj_ it's time we had a separate page for those threads
b4_ sure, good suggestion
_sj_ perhaps Wikimania 2006/Design
brassratgirl speaking of seperate pages... do we wnat to do initial ranking of speakers on the same page, until it gets too big?
brassratgirl (program ideas)
_sj_ works for me
_sj_ unless people will be too offended
_sj_ angela, what do you think?
Angela I'd rather rankings were not public.
Angela we can have a private section of the wikimania wiki for everyone with an account, so why not do it there?
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_sj_ sounds fine.
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brassratgirl what should people do who need accounts again? (for the minutes)
nsh _sj_, where are the program ideas?
Angela Just tell me their username and email.
_sj_ http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2006/Program_ideas
nsh ah got it
nsh ty
brassratgirl ok
brassratgirl thanks
_sj_ anyone else have wikimania updates?
Angela one question I had is which track would "other wikis" fit into?
_sj_ not technically different
Angela Last year, we had a few related to other wikis and there's already at least one submission for that this year.
GerardM Do you mean outside the WMF or do you mean non wikipedia projects
_sj_ just content-different?
_sj_ right.
brassratgirl (other encyclopedias, too)
Angela I mean non-wikimedia projects.
GerardM like http://wiki.ontoworld.org/index.php/Semantic_Wiki ?
_sj_ those don't fit under the five themes
_sj_ but could certainly go under miscellaneous.
Angela Do we want a section where people can basically talk about their wiki? I was wondering if it might work best as an open space thing.
brassratgirl sighs
_sj_ I would like that
_sj_ appropriate, considering
_sj_ an open section of the wiki, and an open space at the event
Angela It apparently worked well at recent changes camp.
_sj_ yes
brassratgirl I've been talking to Eugene Kim about open space stuff as well
brassratgirl gave me some ideas...
brassratgirl it could work really well
_sj_ I have to run atm. is there anything else we need to discuss?
brassratgirl next meeting:
_sj_ next week's meeting
brassratgirl thursday march 2nd
brassratgirl ?
_sj_ I'm easy; any evening works for me. thursday this time is fine.
brassratgirl everyone, minutes are here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2006/Program/2006-02-23
brassratgirl as usual
brassratgirl (or, will be)
Angela I can't promise to be here until the 5th.
brassratgirl 23:00 ok with everyone again?
brassratgirl (tough to find a time that works for the whole world :(
Angela 23:00 would be too late for me that day, but I don't know whether I'll have internet access then anyway.
nsh http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2006/Program_ideas#Accessibility_and_Content.2FFormat_Seperation
nsh ( _sj_ )
_sj_ and set up options for a longer meeting in the tendays after that?
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nsh are slashes not valid anchor chars or is mediawiki being overly anal with the .2F ?
brassratgirl Angela: ok :(
brassratgirl sj, everyone: yes, let's have a meatier program meeting the week of the 6th
Angela But someone could just send me a log and I'll catch up afterwards.
b4_ i'm out, bye all
brassratgirl Angela: will do, of course :)
brassratgirl bye b4_
brassratgirl (I like the badges, btw)
_sj|out_ lovely. ttys.
Angela Bye all.